And I know that when I discovered it for myself as a teenager that I thought, Oh, this is more like music where its like something is expressing itself to you and you are expressing yourself to it. On Being is an hour-long radio show and podcast, hosted by Krista Tippett. [Music: Molerider by Blue Dot Sessions]. Why that color? We can forget this. Limn: I remember having this experience I was sort of very deeply alone during the early days of the pandemic when my husbands work brought him to another state. And then what happened was the list that was in my head of poems I wasnt going to write became this poem. was like that. And both parents all four of my parents, I should say would point those things out, that special quality of connectedness that the natural world offers us. And I think its in that category. But each of us has callings, not merely to be professionals, but to be friends, neighbors, colleagues, family, citizens, lovers of the world. On Being with Krista Tippett December 6, 2016. We have never been exiled. Stood for the many mute mouths of the sea, of the land? enough of can you see me, can you hear me, enough Becoming whole, she teaches, is not about eradicating our wounds and weaknesses; rather, the way we deal with losses, large and small, shapes our capacity to be present to all of our experiences. I could be both an I I remember writing this poem because I really love the word lover, and its a kind of polarizing word. With. It suddenly just falls apart [laughter], Limn: and I feel like there are moments that I travel a lot in South America, with my husband, and by the end of the second week, my brain has gone. And thought, How am I right now at this moment? Okay. And it feels important to me whenever Im in a room right now and I havent been in that many rooms with this many people sitting close together that we all just acknowledge that even if we all this exact same configuration of human beings had sat in this exact room in February 2020, and were back now, were changed at a cellular level. We have been in the sun. Theres how I dont answer the phone, and how I sometimes like to lie down on the floor in the kitchen and pretend Im not home when people knock. and I never knew survival I trust those moments where it feels like, Oh, right, this is a weird. Language is strange, and its evolving. This is a moving and edifying conversation that is also, not surprisingly, a lot of fun. and the stoic farmer and faith and our father and tis The Pause is our Saturday morning ritual of a newsletter. SHARE. I think thats something we didnt know how to talk about. And I found it really useful, a really useful tool to go back in and start to think about what was just no longer true, or maybe had never been true. if we declared a clean night, if we stopped being terrified, if we launched our demands into the sky, made ourselves so big. Limn: I think its very dangerous not to have hope. Exit And it wasnt until really, when I was writing that poem that the word came to me. Too high for most of us with the rockets And I think most poets are drawn to that because it feels like what were always trying to do is say something that cant always entirely be said, even in the poem, even in the completed poem. Alice Parker Singing Is the Most Companionable of Arts. Yet what Amanda has gone on to investigate and so, so helpfully illuminate is not just about journalism, or about politics. She hosted On Being on the radio for about two decades. I love it that youre already thinking that. Limn: Yeah, I was convinced. Anthem. When you find a song or you find something and you think, This. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. Tippett: I chose a couple of poems that you wrote again that kind of speak to this. Tippett: So I feel like the last one Id like for you to read for us is A New National Anthem, which you read at your inauguration as Poet Laureate. Tippett: Right. April 4, 2008. is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. Kalliopeia Foundation. several years later and a changed world later. And if its weekly, theres a day of the week and you do it. Actually, thats in. Wisdom Practices and Digital Retreats (Coming in 2023). And then I kept thinking, What are the other things I can do that with? [laughter] Because there are a lot of unhelpful things that have been told to me. The people who gather around On Being are part of the generative narrative of our time. Yeah. Yes I am. But I trust those moments. Yes. So my interest, when I get into conversation with a poet, is not to talk, poetry, but to delve into what this way with words and sound and silence teaches us. There is so much actionable knowledge in the tour of the ecosystem of our bodies that Kimberley Wilson takes us on this hour. Discoveries about the gut microbiome, for example, and the gut-brain axis; the fascinating vagus nerve and the power of the neurotransmitters we hear about in piecemeal ways in discussions around mental health. Alex Cochran, Deseret News. The fear response, the stress response, it had so many other kinds of ripple effects that were so perplexing. This is science that invites us to nourish the brains we need, young and old, to live in this world. We were so focused on survival and illness and vaccines and bad news. Yeah. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. Weve come this far, survived this much. rough wind, chicken legs, back and forth on Sundays and it was not easy I just set my wash settings to who Id like to be in 2023: Casual, Warm, Normal., Yeah, that was true. I was like, Oh. Then I came downstairs and I was like, Lucas, Im never going to get to be Poet Laureate.. Limn: Yeah. And were you writing The Hurting Kind during the pandemic and lockdown? So it had this kind of wonderful way of existing in an aliveness of a language, aliveness of a second language as opposed to just sort of a need to get something or to use. If you think about it, its not a good, song. And I want you to read it. Sometimes it sounds, sometimes its image, sometimes its a note from a friend with the word lover. At human pace, they are enlivening the world that they can see and touch. and snowshoes, maple and seeds, samara and shoot, enough chiaroscuro, enough of thus and prophecy, and the stoic farmer and faith and our father and tis, of thee, enough of bosom and bud, skin and god. And that between space was the only space that really made sense to me. So I want to do two more, also from. Two entirely different brains. Tippett: If you had thought about it And you said that this would be the poem that would mean that you would never be Poet Laureate. A season of big, new, beautiful On Being conversations is here. of dust and I wish to reclaim the rising. And I think it was that. So in The Carrying, there are these two poems on facing pages, that both have fire in the title. Good, good. Yeah, I think theres so much value in grief. But I do think youre a bit of a So the thing is, we have this phrase, old and wise. But the truth is that a lot of people just grow old, it doesnt necessarily come with it. [laughter] I was so fascinated when I read the earlier poem. It is still the river. In all kinds of lives, in all kinds of places, they are healers and social creatives. But if you look at even the letters we use in our the A actually was initially a drawing of an ox, and M was water. And so, its so hard to speak of, to honor, to mark in this culture. But we dont need to belabor that. So I think thats where, for me, I found any sort of sense of spirituality or belonging. And the Q has the tail of a monkey, and weve forgotten this. Tippett: this is how vitality looks like. Two families, two different I could. Limn: And then Ill say this, that the Library of Congress, theyre amazing, and the Librarian of Congress, Dr. Carla Hayden, had me read this poem, so. letter on the dresser, enough of the longing and Tippett: I love that. Good conflict. Technology and vitality. The thesis is still the wind. The thesis is still a river. The thesis has never been exile., Limn: Yeah. So maybe just to use a natural world metaphor to just dip our toes into the water, would you read Sanctuary? And that there was this break when we moved from pictographic language, which is characters which directly refer to the things spoken, and when we moved to the phonetic alphabet. I think coming back to this idea that poetry is as embodied as it is linguistic. squeal with the idea of blissful release, oh lover, , which was a couple of years before that, certainly pre-pandemic, in the before times, was the way you wrote, a way that you spoke of the same story of yourself. And then in this moment it was we cared for each other by being apart. Thank you all for coming. I am human, enough I am alone and I am desperate, And he had a little cage, I would make sure he was And he would get bundled up and carried from house to house. Youre never like, Oh, Im just done grieving. I mean, you can pretend you are, right, but we arent. unnoticed, sometimes covered up like sorrow. Once it has been witnessed And the next one is Dead Stars. Which follows a little bit in terms of how do we live in this time of catastrophe that also calls us to rise and to learn and to evolve. So Sundays were a different kind of practice, if you will, a different kind of observation. Out here, theres a bowing even the trees are doing. I also think aging is underrated. Page 20. Theres daytime silent when I stare, and nighttime silent when I do things. And now Ill just say it again: they are the publisher of the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. thats sung in silence when its too hard to go on, that sounds like someones rough fingers weaving, into anothers, that sounds like a match being lit, in an endless cave, the song that says my bones. Limn: Yeah, there wasnt a religious practice. It was interesting to me to realize how people turned to you in pandemic because of who you are, it sounds like. We keep forgetting about Antlia, Centaurus, But you said I dont know, I just happened to be I saw you again today. This conversation shines a light on an emerging ecosystem in our world over and against the drumbeat of what is fractured and breaking: working with the complex fullness of reality, and cultivating old and new ways of seeing, to move towards a transformative wholeness of living. And I feel like theres a level of mystery thats allowed in the poem that feels like, Okay, I can maybe read this into it, I can put myself into it, and it becomes sort of its own thing. That its not my neighborhood, and they look beautiful. Amanda Ripley began her life as a journalist covering crime, disaster, and terrorism. Creativity. No, question marks. and hand, the space between. Our lovely theme music is provided and composed by Zo Keating. 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